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Ебать сколько бомжей на улице стало. И все мужики какие-то мощные лет по 40, словно вчера из органов уволились. Я думал их к зиме должно меньше стать, а случилось ровно наоборот. Харкают на прохожих если те им не подают. Srsly.
>>cn5
А я бы сказал, что у меня с ними различный набор свобод и ограничений.
>>cna
Они свободнее от общества, работы, денег, ты только от погоды и голода. Значит, ты больший раб, чем они.
>>cnb
Я свободен ото всяческих невзгод, коих у них в избытке. Вот быть финансово обеспеченным бомжом — другое дело, тут я с тобой согласился бы уже.
>>cnf
>Выпиливание тсоря и белогвардейских мразей — лучшее что случалось в русской истории
Cūr?
Аноны, я очень нуждаюсь в материальной помощи. Я беден, и для поддержания банальной жизнедеятельности мне нужно всего лишь вас всех затролеть. Подойдёт любой подход, я ставлю цель чего-то достигнуть в современном интернете, но мне нужен начальный капитал.
Прошу писать по всем вопросам сюда.
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>>cnx
> How come do you look
Who actually talks like that? It looks like uncommon combination of words unless you're shipping a ptochologist.
> as on parasitic worms
I deduce it from their deeds. And they're actually call it upon themselves. As long as an aristocracy prefers to count themselves a separate branch of humanoids, I am free to not consider them as humans anymore. Filthy fetid annelids they are, not giving a single fuck about the body they feed off.
>>cnD
>Who actually talks like that?
Old folks in provincial towns of Eastern Massachusetts, for example. I consider this phrase quite elegant and especially the way it sounds.
>Filthy fetid annelids they are, not giving a single fuck about the body they feed off.
Oh, I get now what you mean. How about the fact that the whole revolution was organized by the German government agents in order to annihilate the Eastern front and thus the Russian Empire? How about the nomenclature of the party that emerged in the country after the revolution? And then how about eventual communistic devastation of the Russian peasantry? Also, how about the civil war that killed a tremendous amount of Russians?
Of course, there were good consequences of the existence of the USSR, however, it seems to me that if the Empire wouldn't fall, then these benefits would emerge decades earlier than they did in the socialist form of Russia.
>>cnI
> was organized by the German government agents
You can't organize revolution in a well-fed, well-educated and solicitously fostered society. At the same time, even a little spark would be enough to flare up a revolution in an impoverished unequal country full of embittered people whose lives and whose relatives' lives are sold for nothing by a cheeky official scum who are so unbelievably arrogant that even pretend their authority is given by a god. I'd kill these people myself without hesitation. Their arrogance and stupidity and absolutely unwarranted disdain for ordinary people just gone too far. Bless those people who slaughtered the royal scum family. I'd like to say "god bless" but there is most likely no god. And god is also need to be murdered relentlessly if he dare to exist and sincerely enjoy the world he created.
> How about the nomenclature of the party that emerged in the country after the revolution?
They've done good job. But over the time they become as bad as their predecessors. Pretty quickly I need to say. Dissolution of the Soviet Union was a good thing too, BTW.
> And then how about eventual communistic devastation of the Russian peasantry?
This is one of the most shameful pages of the communists' history they must confess in case if they want to regain the trust of people and become a significant political power again. Which they will never do because they traded USSR for a right to become a negligible part of anglo-saxon establishment.
> Also, how about the civil war that killed a tremendous amount of Russians?
Getting rid of worms is not that easy pal. There are a lot of them. You can't just kill the leader and wait for these creatures to voluntarily refuse their "god given right" to rob the weak.
> Of course, there were good consequences of the existence of the USSR, however, it seems to me that if the Empire wouldn't fall, then these benefits would emerge decades earlier than they did in the socialist form of Russia.
To say like that is the same that to say you need to suffer a little more and Putin will lead Russia to the bright great future. That kind of things just never happen. It hadn't happened in time of communism, it will not happen now and it would not have happened in time of Russian Empire.
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>>cnM
>You can't organize revolution in a well-fed, well-educated and solicitously fostered society.
This society surely had problems, but the revolution eventually added more while trying to fix them.
>Dissolution of the Soviet Union was a good thing
In some ways, yes. However, just think of how pleased were all the Western opponents to finally see their strongest enemy being split asunder and thus observe the destruction of its industrial and militarist aspects.
>There are a lot of them.
These mostly weren't the aristocratic elites since it was insane for them, from their point of view, to fight themselves. Almost all of the White army members who died in this war were the commoners like most of those whom they fought against. I consider that it was thus a form of genocide of the common Russian population.
>That kind of things just never happen.
I meant that the revolution gave lots of wounds to an already sick body, and therefore these two problems had to be fixed at the same moment and for a longer amount of time than it would take to fix the illness of the body without the revolution. And only after a body is in good state of health again, it's able to reach new goals.
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>>cnV
> added more while trying to fix
If a man locked up in a room jumps out of window and breaks his both legs trying to escape death by hunger, we can say he added more problems, but at least he got out. That's the price he paid.
> think of how pleased were all the Western opponents
And... I feel nothing. Should I feel something about others' feelings? And why?
> insane for them, from their point of view, to fight themselves.
Are we talking about the white army officers? How dare you compare shiny noble well-bred worms with dirty lowborn unworthy peasants?
> the commoners like most of those whom they fought against
Ah, these serfs. They served their masters well and their deaths doesn't even count cuz dem lack muh royal genes n' shit. Who cares about subhumans.
> it was thus a form of genocide
In terms of genetics, that was a less genocide because royal and lowborn genes were harmed equally this time. Probably the worms even got more damaged since their broodmare got slaughtered with the entire brood. So unjust... sob sob. Why doesn't they just give us to continue sucking off all their blood? These bloody peasants.
> to an already sick body
Sick because of being overcrowded with parasites.
> fix the illness of the body without the revolution
So, you've got a verminous body full of content annelids and leeches multiplying exponentially and you suggest to just wait until they pack their bags and voluntarily move somewhere else. I'm afraid they wouldn't.
>>coc
>That's the price he paid.
To then get to а hospital in order to repair his injuries and suddenly be used by a mad doctor in his secret illegal experiments on humans.
>Should I feel something about others' feelings? And why?
What I said literally meant: "The USSR was finally dismantled by its Western enemies who got power over all the countries which stemmed from the Soviet Union".
>Who cares about subhumans.
For the elites these may have been subhumans. However, they are not from the point of view of common Russian population.
>In terms of genetics, that was a less genocide because royal and lowborn genes were harmed equally
How about the fact that most of the aristocrats just escaped to other countries in Europe or the States?
>Sick because of being overcrowded with parasites.
Yes, I did never deny it.
>you suggest to just wait until they pack their bags and voluntarily move somewhere else
No, the healing process has to start immediately, but it has to be conducted carefully, step by step in order to not harm other branches of the body unlike the revolution that got rid of the problem quickly but with lots of negative consequences for the body.
>>cow
> experiments on humans
Still preferrable than death unless you really want to commit suicide by starvation.
> The USSR was finally dismantled by its Western enemies
USSR was dismantled the same way the Russian Empire was. I'm unsure should I use the article "was" twice here as it looks out of place. It has dismantled itself through strengthening of inner parasites to the point when they decided to destroy body they live in for the sake of own profits.
> from the point of view of common Russian population.
From the point of view of common Russian population they should be considered as a traitors. Like african slavers who did sell their own people to the european/american slavers in the 1800s. These are kind of slaves who don't want freedom but want to be slave overseers instead.
> most of the aristocrats just escaped to other countries in Europe
That's bad, they deserved death. At least they have lost the undeserved source of wealth.
> has to be conducted carefully, step by step
There was no one to do that and will never be in future. The revolutionaries didn't even managed to save food supplies which lead them to start the prodrazvyorstka campaign because they sucked at state management. It's a situation where you could only choose less evil or one evil over another.
>>cpo
>Still preferrable than death
Even in such situation, there's a possibility to escape by, for example, breaking the door that's locked or the walls of the room. And in this case, the door is the regular wooden one, and the walls are made of wood, too.
>USSR was dismantled the same way the Russian Empire was.
I agree since the Empire wasn't destroyed only because of its high social groups.
>From the point of view of common Russian population they should be considered as a traitors.
Well, in society there are always major groups with different points of view on the way their country must develop. The fact that the White army was a considerable opponent of the Reds tells that the people with this point of view were a major fraction of the common population. Plus, a hundred years earlier most members of the common population accepted slavery, and were they the "traitors" this way?
>At least they have lost the undeserved source of wealth.
Possibly, but I'm sure that at least half of them managed to conserve their wealth and bring it with them.
>There was no one to do that and will never be in future.
Are you saying that there are no people who can peacefully do correct reforms one by another?
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>>cps
> there's a possibility
Every possibility requires time and resources to be realized. And you always lack something from the list thus predetermination shapes your life from birth to death. We all had high hopes in our childhood yet here we are, crowing on imageboard.
> wasn't destroyed only because of its high social groups
And I disagree because that was the main reason. Their incredible greed and ignorance, then and now, is what driving us into this doom every fucking time.
> the people with this point of view were a major fraction of the common population
Yup that's true. There was a lot of parasites and parasites' symbiotes opposing to lowering number of hosts for all this public. They decided not to fight each other, exhausted hosts began to rebel and that's when the foreign parasites came to feast upon something delicious.
> a hundred years earlier most members of the common population accepted slavery
I'm unsure what you mean by "accepted". When a bunch of armed motherfuckers breaks into your house and tells you to pay tribute to your new ruler or die and you agree not having any other choice, does it means you accepting that kind of happenings?
> were they the "traitors" this way?
How else would you call people who are helping brigands to enslave their own fellows? These are Pavlik Morozov's comrades.
> at least half of them managed to conserve their wealth and bring it with them
Then I hope they were robbed then in a best traditions of the capitalism.
> people who can peacefully do correct reforms one by another?
There are probably few people who think they can do this but I'm afraid there is nobody who could really oppose this mass of parasites and minions of all kinds. We are doomed to participate their senseless life cycle over and over.
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>>cpt
>And you always lack something from the list thus predetermination shapes your life from birth to death.
Well, it can shape your life in a way that you'll have much more resources to accomplish what you need than it requires to.
>And I disagree because that was the main reason.
1. Economic difficulties, experienced by Russia because of participation in the First World War.
2. Huge losses because of this war.
3. Unsuccessful situation on the fronts of this war.
4. Bad leadership by the royal government in the beginning and then by the temporary government.
5. Unsolved problem of granting the land to peasants.
6. Hard circumstances of the workers' living.
7. Tremendous illiteracy of the folk.
8. Unjust national policy.
9. The existence in Russia of a small, but well-organized and well-disciplined group - the Bolsheviks' party.
10. The smart and influential leader presiding in this party - Lenin.
11. The absence of the same kind of person in the countries which accomplished several actions to destroy the Empire.
12. Uncertainty of the intelligence in terms of the ideology: from nationalists and orthodox christians to anarchists and the sponsors of terrorism.
13. The actions of the German intelligence service and their diplomacy which had a mission to weaken Russia since our country was one of the enemies of Germans in the WW1.
14. The passivity of the country's population.
>When a bunch of armed motherfuckers breaks into your house and tells you to pay tribute to your new ruler or die and you agree not having any other choice, does it means you accepting that kind of happenings?
By this time, most of the peasants were in hereditary slavery and thus got used to and accepted this kind of circumstances.
>How else would you call people who are helping brigands to enslave their own fellows?
That's the way most of such commoners lived and thought, and it was completely normal for this society. Maybe, in the "positive" kind of possible future those like you will upbraid the fact that in our time, we have allowed the major corporations and the government to know so much info about us, but for most of the population there's nothing wrong now to give your phone the information about one's location for the purpose to use, for example, the GPS.
>Then I hope they were robbed then in a best traditions of the capitalism.
Well, most of them were not such unexperienced individuals and probably at least managed to organize some kind of business there or invested in something to get constant profit.
>there is nobody who could really oppose this mass of parasites and minions of all kinds
I'm sure there are quite a lot of smart people even around our country, but their potential yet has not been released. Such people, however, have and always had a possibility to slip in the governmental system, but not all of them have and had this as their point in life.
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>>cpA
> Well, it can
As we can see that wasn't the case for most russian people in early 1900s.
> 1. Economic difficulties, experienced by Russia because of participation in the First World War.
Because of the greed and ignorance of russian elite who decided to participate in the war in the first place.
> 2. Huge losses because of this war.
Because of the ignorance of the russian high command. I can't remember a war where russian fighters were not turned into cannon fodder. It is almost our national tradition to treat soldiers like shit or convicts.
> 3. Unsuccessful situation on the fronts of this war.
Because of the ignorance of the russian high command which I already described above.
> 4. Bad leadership by the royal government in the beginning and then by the temporary government.
Because of the greed and ignorance of both russian governments. The parasites only good at exploiting others and often even can't spend the money they stole. They are not interested in art or science and buying a golden toilet/pistol and a posh car is a pinnacle of their intellectual activity.
> 5. Unsolved problem of granting the land to peasants.
Because of the greed of russian elite who always want more for themselves and less for others.
> 6. Hard circumstances of the workers' living.
Because of the greed of russian elite who shit in the plate they eating from.
> 7. Tremendous illiteracy of the folk.
Because of the ignorance of russian elite who never considered science a big deal. Let those stupid westerners invest in science, we have spirituality and god will always help us to get out of troubles.
> 8. Unjust national policy.
Because of the greed and ignorance of russian elite.
> 9. The existence in Russia of a small, but well-organized and well-disciplined group - the Bolsheviks' party.
Because of the greed and ignorance of russian elite who (as usually) threw overboard all intellectuals and passionate people.
> 10. The smart and influential leader presiding in this party - Lenin.
Because of the ignorance of russian elite who killed his brother.
> 11. The absence of the same kind of person in the countries which accomplished several actions to destroy the Empire.
Jesus fucking christ! There is over six billion of people on the planet already. Every country has more than 9000 of persons of the same kind as Lenin, they just don't find themselves cornered in such dire circumstances when they had no other ways of living.
> 12. Uncertainty of the intelligence in terms of the ideology
It is unclear to me what you are trying to say here.
> 13. The actions of the German intelligence service and their diplomacy which had a mission to weaken Russia since our country was one of the enemies of Germans in the WW1.
It's natural reaction of every country against an enemy country.
> 14. The passivity of the country's population.
And here we have the victim blaming. Of course, population passivity is a problem. Russian elite has a long history of enslaving and oppressing their own population. How would you expect having active population next door to these monsters?
> By this time, most of the peasants were in hereditary slavery and thus got used to and accepted this kind of circumstances.
If that kind of social relations was accepted we should have been to expect to see hereditary slavery written in the USSR constitution. So either it was not accepted or most acceptors were dead.
> That's the way most of such commoners lived and thought, and it was completely normal for this society.
Well, in the good old times, cannibalism was completely normal too. You could eat your child or a neighbor's wife without being blamed for inhumanity. But hopefully times are changing. Although somebody would protest this. Usually that happens when people imaging themselves eating someone but not in reverse.
> and probably at least managed to organize some kind of business
Then I wish them a testicles cancer and hemophilia. Although I'm unsure why foreign parasites would like to share their piece of cake with some deadbeats who ruined their own country. Being a small shopkeeper is the maximum to reach for a majority of them, I think. And of course it's absolutely not the same as to be a lord or duke or something like that.
> but not all of them have and had this as their point in life
You have to put your life on the line to change things. And it is unusually for a smart people to put their lives on the line.
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>>cpE
1900s
Not them, but the government had to fully understand the situation and organize correct reforms.
>Because of the greed and ignorance of russian elite who decided to participate in the war in the first place.
In this case, the war would anyway somehow touch Russia since the French have before invested in the industrial growth of the Empire in order to split the military forces of Germany in two directions in the possible future conflict.
> It is almost our national tradition to treat soldiers like shit or convicts.
It seems to be almost the tradition of the whole humanity.
>buying a golden toilet/pistol and a posh car is a pinnacle of their intellectual activity
If they were such obtuse people, then what about the common folk?
>russian elite who never considered science a big deal
What about the great Russian scientists of their time?
>they just don't find themselves cornered in such dire circumstances when they had no other ways of living
Major percentage of them probably did, but the fate didn't make them to do actions similar to Lenin's. It's just the way different things affected those like Lenin in a way that they didn't become the leaders of various revolutions. Maybe in some kind of parallel universe, if such exists, they did, and the whole Europe became socialistic.
>It is unclear to me what you are trying to say here.
I meant intelligentsia.
>It's natural reaction of every country against an enemy country.
And this reaction led to successful consequences for Germany.
>So either it was not accepted or most acceptors were dead.
It's probably the second option or also because of the Bolsheviks' propaganda.
>But hopefully times are changing.
"Hopefully" for those who want these changes.
>Being a small shopkeeper is the maximum to reach for a majority of them
Their salary still would be quite high in comparison to shopkeepers in Russia of their time.
>And it is unusually for a smart people to put their lives on the line.
Well, smart doesn't mean wise, so it happens quite often.
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>>cpH
> the government had to fully understand the situation and organize
We are talking about people who made the choice to join monarchists or revolutionaries. The decision was up to each of them personally.
> since the French have before invested in the industrial growth of the Empire
Since the russian monarchists parasites could only eat pork and reproduce not giving a single fuck about anything else. Let the stupid foreigners build everything in our country for us! We will pay with our soldiers' lives! Although we even can't into troops command but who cares about the peasants anyway, women will birth us new. Glory to the caesar!
> It seems to be almost the tradition of the whole humanity.
Of course not. I'm not a military specialist but I'm sure the Finnish army, the Swiss army, the Israeli army are different. Russian generals are people who just can't care less about their subordinates.
> If they were such obtuse people, then what about the common folk?
You see, the people has different traits. Like you wouldn't expect from a stayer to play chess at the world level, you should not expect from a chess master to run fast either. Since all of the parasites' efforts are concentrated on pillage and domination, common folks are expected to be better in all other areas and I believe they are.
> What about the great Russian scientists of their time?
Russia was never a leader in science and technology expect in some narrow areas at the USSR times probably.
> It's just the way different things affected those like Lenin
And many of these different things are affected by a government actions since a government always have a great impact on everything by default.
> I meant intelligentsia.
I understood that but I still don't understand what did you mean.
> And this reaction led to successful consequences for Germany.
Indeed.
> or also because of the Bolsheviks' propaganda
Maybe.
> "Hopefully" for those who want these changes.
Well, I want these changes. I'm not that much into slavery and cannibalism. I believe world would be better without it.
> Their salary still would be quite high
Lol, probably.
> so it happens quite often
You probably mean some unsystematic random butthurt-driven actions. These are surely possible. But if we are talking about humans who devote all their life into a "fight with evil", then I disagree.
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>>cpI
>The decision was up to each of them personally.
They wouldn't have to make such a decision if the government would act correctly.
>Of course not.
Yes, traditions sometimes slowly vanish, but as we'll go further into the past, we'll observe more and more senseless deaths which the whole humanity could prevent if the leaders of various armies would care more about their soldiers.
>Russia was never a leader in science and technology
I'm writing about the people of science who were frequently the aristocrats, not the promoting to new technologies and the advertisement of them in the other countries.
>And many of these different things are affected by a government actions
I agree since the governments of other countries may have had, for example, stronger police or a better propaganda system.
>I still don't understand what did you mean.
The intelligentsia of the Empire wasn't united over one kind of ideology.
>then I disagree
Why?